Thursday, February 4, 2010

Is providing false names grounds for that student to be expelled?

24 years ago, when I was in 7th grade, this chronic troublemaking, and underachieving, classmate used my name and several of my friends' names (including one of a girl!) whenever he gets caught by a substitute teacher as a class nuisance or by a cafeteria worker see him stealing food, to name a couple of things he's done. When 8th grade started, my class never saw him again. And I didn't know why... until I met my favorite teacher last month visiting the school and we talked about old times. He told me the principal (since retired) expelled the boy mainly because of his habit of giving false names and not for his other antics. Incredibly, he was the only expulsion in the principal's 21-year career at the school!





What is school policy now against a student who lies at THIS level?





Like me, he should be 37 going on 38 years old now. But I take it that a 13 year old giving false names (back then or today) is a bad sign of things to come in his future?Is providing false names grounds for that student to be expelled?
Chronic giving of false information to authorities certainly is grounds for expulsion from school.





Whether or not your class mate learned any lessons from this expulsion would be speculation at this point; however, it may be, that in the future you may learn of his history.





His behavior at age 13 was juvenile criminal activity and, as such, would be subject to being sealed and unavailable to the general public. However, any criminal activity after turning 18 would be available to the general public.





You might want to Google his name and see what comes up or you can subscribe to one of the several personnel locator services on the internet and find out his current status.Is providing false names grounds for that student to be expelled?
Not much would happen now probably. People in our school do it all the time but the teachers generally guess their lying by the amount of laughing coming from the room so nothing happens. Plus, it's a hell of a lot more difficult to expel kids now as there are loads more restrictions and procedures. There are lads in my school that have done loads worse than that at our school and now, in year 9, they're only just starting to get (empty) threats of explusion.
It would depend on your school district, but I doubt if it was just for giving false names.
This kid had a lot of problems. Maybe you should have been his friend and helped him.
Well, as a teacher I can say that the behavior you describe surely shows that there is something very troubling going on. Years ago, it was more likely that the solution to the problem would be to get rid of the problem. Therefore, they expelled the child. Now, it would be far more likely that the child would receive extensive counseling. In addition, in order to prevent retaliation from angry victims of his behavior, he might be transferred to another school. However, expulsion is usually confined to students who are potentially harmful physically to others.





Some people think that expulsion should be used for a number of other behaviors. However, most school administrators will look at the overall pattern of behavior and what is in the best interest of all parties. The fear is always that, when dealing with young people, you don't want to do anything punitive that may impact the rest of their lives negatively. When a child displays anti-social behavior, it is in the best interest of all to find out why the child is displaying the behavior; then dealing with it and try to change the behavior.





Expulsion doesn't do anything except relocate the behavior. Unfortunately, that still often happens. In a large school system, students can often fall through the cracks and not get the help that they need.

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